Should restrictions be lifted on the 19th?

[Enoch]

If Covid is a new disease (i.e. not the flu) we will have no natural immunity to it - the fact that flu figures are low clearly shows that the restrictions greatly reduced the Covid infections and subsequent death rate.

It is possible to have Covid and Flu simultaneously - I dont know why you feel this is relevant.

Nobody is going fo FORCE us to wear masks - again I don't know why you ask. If you feel that strongly about the subject you probably aren't complying now, but I don't understand why you feel it would do you any harm if people continued to use masks after the 19th. We don't live in a Dictatorship, although it is fun to describe it as one, personally I believe it should be at the discretion of individual businesses if they require masks etc. on their premises, the only stumbling block there would be those that believe this would restrict their personal freedom (because their freedom should involve them being free to do whatever they want on someone elses property - and not allowing them to dictate terms would invoke the Karen clause of 'discrimination')

Nobody has yet attempted to explain to me why those who are against covid constantly refer to the flu, a different, less infectious disease with a much lower mortality rate. that normally results in far fewer hospitalisations.

I'm just glad the medical services can differentiate between the two diseases or we would all be truly fucked.

I refer to the flu now because it has significantly overtaken covid in this country for the last 4 months.

In terms of the masks , they aren't being left under personal choice , despite the government saying so. There are plenty of places all over the country making them mandatory on their own backs, hence why they can't be stopped, individual areas have implemented them.

Flu rates and covid rates weren't proportional at all, as the media keep telling us rates are as high now as they were 4 weeks into a lockdown. Which begs the question, if transmission rates are the same without restrictions as they are with a full country lockdown, then given people have the jab, you can't prevent it then can you?

Having flu and covid in the body is extremely relevant actually. Because if someone did have both , they would only be tested for one , therefore the other would be 'undetected' in that scenario. Which makes the 95% reduced flu rates extremely misleading.

You assume I am not conforming yet I have followed every single step along the way. I had the same experience as everyone else , worked all day in masks , travelled in masks , shop in masks etc. That is a funny misconception I see online towards others , the you must not be following the rules if you don't agree with X or Y.

Finally you seem to have flooded over what I said about people wearing masks, there is nothing wrong with wearing them at personal choice, but they are being forced into people none the less against the government instructions.

So kinda ironic that the government that is backed by SAGE says one thing about masks, individual mayor's without SAGE say another and people side with the without side on the subject , but then also side against WHO as well.

 

[Crewella]

..... I have a man above??????

I barely went out last year, didn't get covid, didn't get flu. Can't help feeling the two are related?

 

[zouzounaki]

The thing is , since the beginning it's been the official line or conspiracy / fake news.

Even as far as the lab theory of covid is just talking out of your arse , it's a conspiracy , complete shutdown of the notion. Anything covid related that isn't repeating the official lines is just shut down by others like there is no possible notion it can be anything else.

Except

The lab theory is being investigated by WHO now. More and more people are coming out and supporting that theory. In fact there are scientists who claim to have proof of a DNA footprint within covid that proves it is man made.

Yet if anyone had posted that , what? 6 months ago? 3 months ago? It would be met with that same attitude you have of conspiracy / fake news , talking out your arse.

The biggest problem with discussion on the internet these days is exactly this , nobody is willing to discuss, just shut down the other side. You are all over the place , you are a conspiracy theorist , you are wrong etc.

do you see how you contradict yourself in the space of your own post? you talk about a dichotomy between “official line” and conspiracy, then say the theory that covid originated in a lab is dismissed as conspiracy, yet go on further to explain that WHO are investigating it. this has also been reported in the mainstream media.

 

[zouzounaki]

..... I have a man above??????

I barely went out last year, didn't get covid, didn't get flu. Can't help feeling the two are related?

he is on a roll, it’s futile to try and stop him.

 

[Simon G]

do you think i am in on it?

Nah, you just support it..... clearly.

 

[Enoch]

do you see how you contradict yourself in the space of your own post? you talk about a dichotomy between “official line” and conspiracy, then say the theory that covid originated in a lab is dismissed as conspiracy, yet go on further to explain that WHO are investigating it. this has also been reported in the mainstream media.

You are missing the point in my posts then fella.

Up until recently , anyone saying covid was man made in a lab would be met with responses such as yours , calling them conspiracy theorists and nonsense. Yet now it's a very credible theory based on multiple sources including science.

I have seen people just look to shoot people down over the past year for suggesting that example , not discuss but out right shut them down.

Reminds me of a 'conversation' I had about a year ago now. When it came out via the media that ethnic minorities were more affected than others , everyone shouting about its genetics. The notion of suggesting it was down to other factors was just completely shut down, absolutely no way it was anything else. Then a few months later the evidence came out that it wasn't anything to do with genetics.

What I'm trying to say to you man is try and be open minded and not just shut down other viewpoints like you are right. Because none of us are right or wrong, it's just opinions about a subject.

 

[Enoch]

..... I have a man above??????

I barely went out last year, didn't get covid, didn't get flu. Can't help feeling the two are related?

It's an Irish saying, doesn't translate well on the internet sadly!

 

[Crewella]

It's an Irish saying, doesn't translate well on the internet sadly!

Fair enough - sorry.

 

[zouzounaki]

You are missing the point in my posts then fella.

Up until recently , anyone saying covid was man made in a lab would be met with responses such as yours , calling them conspiracy theorists and nonsense. Yet now it's a very credible theory based on multiple sources including science.

I have seen people just look to shoot people down over the past year for suggesting that example , not discuss but out right shut them down.

Reminds me of a 'conversation' I had about a year ago now. When it came out via the media that ethnic minorities were more affected than others , everyone shouting about its genetics. The notion of suggesting it was down to other factors was just completely shut down, absolutely no way it was anything else. Then a few months later the evidence came out that it wasn't anything to do with genetics.

What I'm trying to say to you man is try and be open minded and not just shut down other viewpoints like you are right. Because none of us are right or wrong, it's just opinions about a subject.

i don’t think i am. but i think you may be missing a certain point. the lab theory has been about for ages. at least as far back as december, probably longer. it seems to me it’s accepted as a possibility. i remember months ago posting an article from the washington post, in fact.

although if somebody says, it was created in a lab and released on purpose to enslave us as part of a global conspiracy to get everyone to obey and wear masks, or whatever other motivation they’ve dreamed up or heard while doing their own research on youtube, most rational people would of course dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.

it’s fine to have an opinion or come up with a theory but if it’s not based on anything rationale or it seems absurd people are likely to disagree and argue with you about it. like the idea flu cases are being sneakily passed off as covid cases, for example.

 

[Crispycritters]

Ahh but there is a difference between reduced transmission and zero transmission. There was story that said , right bang in the middle of winter , there was only 36 cases of the flu out of 3.6 million people. That is why it defies logic, a 95% decrease for the first time in 130 years no less. Officially it was because of restrictions but that level of drop?

It ties into other areas. Respiratory illness dropped by hundreds last year each week. I can guarantee you when they release other areas of health and sickness for 2020, other columns will have dropped far more than usual.

The point I'm trying to make here is that covid didn't irradicate the flu, especially given one was spreading whilst the other was almost none existent. Because even if you had the flu , doctors were heavily restricted over the winter , so even getting an appointment would have been difficult so it would have been much harder to know the full extent of it , given the vulnerable got jabs anyway.

Like I said to your man above, covid symptoms in vaccinated are resembling cold symptoms now. So unless you test everyone with these symptoms , even if they are mild , will colds suddenly disappear?

I'll take your word for it that there were only 36 case of the flu last year (I assume you mean deaths by the flu, rather than total cases which will be a totally different figure). 36 isn't zero so flu hasn't 'disappeared' - it is greatly reduced. A 95% decrease (your figures) certainly is a huge drop - this goes to emphasise that if the vulnerable are isolated and not coming into regular contact with others their chances of becoming catching flu ARE much less and the 95% figure you quote should be expected rather than shocking.

If someone has the flu it is obvious and they will naturally isolate, because they feel like shit and stay at home. This isn't necessarily the case with Covid - many will have little or no symptoms and will carry on as normal, infecting others around them - so it is entirely feasible that the numbers for Flu can drop drastically while Covid increase. I feel you are implying that Flu numbers are being bundled in with Covid figures to give a false impression - if you are, just shit or get off the pot and use plain language - also explain why the countries entire medical services and the political opposition have kept schtumm, if you believe this is the case.

If people are testing for Covid because they are experiencing symptoms similar to a cold - any subsequent negative result probably means they probably have the common cold.. as most tests are negative it should be obvious to you that you didn't think this one out properly - the common cold hasn't gone away, nobody bothers to keep figures for the common cold because the severity is so insignificant for most that nobody gives a toss about it.

You avoided my direct question about why are you fixating on a different disease, and what harm continued mask wearing would do you. But I sort of expected it.