Should restrictions be lifted on the 19th?

[Crispycritters]

I went into my local Aldi earlier this evening. There were plenty of people shopping for the relatively late time (probably left it until a bit later because of the heat just like I did) but everyone I saw in the store was actually wearing a mask and using the hand cleansing facilities by the door, which was re-assuring. How long it will last is anyone's guess but it was good to see people using them through choice.

 

[Mitz]

There needs to be more information to help people work out what their personal risk is.
There should be allowance made for the vulnerable.
The most vulnerable are at less risk once they are vaccinated but the people most at risk are still the same people that were always most at risk.
Thought should be given to how they are allowed to have some sort of life that is not permanent lockdown.

The Gov's answer to protecting the vulnerable seems to be tearing up most of the covid safe guards that were in place in the care setting.

 

[vapesmarter]

it seems odd to me that in every area of our lives we have restrictions on our well-being.

so you can drive on the motorway at 120mph but the restriction is 70mph you can wear a seatbelt or not but it's still a fine, if you don't, with covid though the government say go out but use common sense if that's the case why in all other areas, why are the laws there.

but figures speak for themself I can quote lots as well but the mains ones for me are the ones above 24 No's to 16 Yes,s the other is the dozen people I knew in 2019 I spoke to all of them worked with some all of them, they died due to covid their lives were snatched away who speaks for them or are they a percentage 0.6% 0.2%, in 2019 they had jobs lives families I remember my last chats with some of them, who speaks for the dead as Boris won't even meet the families. (even Margaret thatcher who is hated wrote to every soldier's family who lost their lives in the Falklands) we have a vaccine now and must move on but looking back we should learn from that so putting a label on the dead as a statistic is great it's just a number let's hope that no member here becomes a statistic from reading the numbers.

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I've got to do some shopping today my wife doesn't want to wear a mask she can't breathe, and in this heat, so what's changed from last month has covid got less it's gone away right so it's all good you can risk it? shall I google the chances from 8 sites that I don't know where they get the figures from or shall I use common sense and think hmmm just a bit longer as cases are high or do I put my trust in the government?

 

[oldhippydude]

The Gov's answer to protecting the vulnerable seems to be tearing up most of the covid safe guards that were in place in the care setting.

I think this is the hardest thing to find solutions to, this sector is full of the most vulnerable, but the solution should include vaccinitions and regular testing for staff, residents and visitors.
Restricting visitors to care home residents is brutal but ways have to be found that allows regular visitors and minimises risk of covid spreading in the care setting.
Not an easy balancing act.

 

[Mitz]

I think this is the hardest thing to find solutions to, this sector is full of the most vulnerable, but the solution should include vaccinitions and regular testing for staff, residents and visitors.
Restricting visitors to care home residents is brutal but ways have to be found that allows regular visitors and minimises risk of covid spreading in the care setting.
Not an easy balancing act.

As I understand it the current and impending recklessness in the care sector is largely being driven by the lack of workforce. So many have had to isolate after either testing positive or being pinged due to close contact that there's a real critical shortage of staff.

If I could only level one criticism at the government with regard to this pandemic it would be their apparent inability to act and, as a result, constantly forced to react. If they'd been more proactive right from the start instead of - as Boris likes to say - "dithering and delaying" then so many things could have turned out differently.

There's very little, if anything, about this pandemic that's been easy and I've largely given BJ and the government the benefit of the doubt as no government has had to face anything remotely similar in over a century. They nailed it with the vaccines which is the only saving grace, imho. But the whole freedom day and all it entails just seems absolutely crazy to me. I absolutely 100% agree that things should be opening up but to allow clubs to fill up to capacity and then say that from September all clubbers must be double jabbed makes zero sense. Removing all restrictions in one go contrary to the scientific advice from virtually every corner is reckless. Haven't heard a single scientific or medical professional yet say vaccines alone is an adequate solution. Every single one has said vaccines should go hand in hand with sensible mitigating measures.

As I said in a previous post; call me crazy but it feels like they want to maximise infections.

 

[Enoch]

Food for thought.

Had a referral for a patient yesterday.

Tested positive for covid , being moved to the covid ward, so is a covid patient in the numbers.

Not recieving any treatment for covid and is simply in hospital for a sore knee.

Is it possible there is quite a few like that, covid patients on a technicality and not a treatment reason?

 

[zouzounaki]

Food for thought.

Had a referral for a patient yesterday.

Tested positive for covid , being moved to the covid ward, so is a covid patient in the numbers.

Not recieving any treatment for covid and is simply in hospital for a sore knee.

Is it possible there is quite a few like that, covid patients on a technicality and not a treatment reason?

are you a doctor?

 

[vapesmarter]

Covid isn’t the problem at the moment the heat is 38 degrees in one area in the shower with added hoists And rise and lower bath, it was 40 degrees in there , no aircon the water is set to a temperature where you don’t scold people so no cool showers so wearing ppe it’s been murder

after “losing my shit” over this I come to the conclusion we are not prepared for fuck all

 

[andipandi]

are you a doctor?

18.33

 

[Mitz]

Food for thought.

Had a referral for a patient yesterday.

Tested positive for covid , being moved to the covid ward, so is a covid patient in the numbers.

Not recieving any treatment for covid and is simply in hospital for a sore knee.

Is it possible there is quite a few like that, covid patients on a technicality and not a treatment reason?

In hospital? I seriously doubt it. Asymptomatic people were a concern from day one. No idea what the actual figure is but initially they were claiming as many as 1/3rd of infections could be asymptomatic. As I recall, many turned out simply to be PRE-symptomatic. Being asymptomatic won't stop you from spreading the virus and no hospital wants their beds taken by asymptomatic or even pre-symptomatic cases. Unless you need medical attention you isolate at home. This guy's obviously in for different treatment (knee) and as he's tested positive they're not gonna just bung him on a regular ward so they've put him with the rest of the infected people. IMHO and happy to be corrected.