Should restrictions be lifted on the 19th?

[Enoch]

did the guy just turn up at A&E with a sore knee and they admitted him straight away to a ward? it seems unusual. treatment for a sore knee is usually something that would be done on an outpatient basis.

Actually not unusual, there is services such as gerontology for example that take on and treat patients under themselves rather than pass them over to other areas.

If a patient has a fall and hurts themself , they aren't turfed away at the door it can't be treated there and then.

you are over engineering this you can’t conclude any sort of potential outcome from some confidential patient referrals to predict the outcome in September what it does is give false hope and fuels people going “covid is fake”

I mean my job specifically operates with referrals on a daily basis so understanding them is kinda part of the role. So telling the difference to what is wrong with the patient is quite important......

Have you heard of clinical coding? Very boring job but they have to pull literal specific diagnosis from patient records , with thousands of variations. Hate to do that job but they delve even deeper into patient information , despite not being a doctor.

I may not be able to doctor it up but years experience of working with them, it's kinda obvious what a patient is in for and what treatment they need.

What false hope do you speak of? The data out there LITERALLY proves the vaccines work and have worked. I'd actually be quite interested in what the ratios were back in January because it will be significantly higher than 0.45% of cases.

I'd argue back sir that dismissing the actual data is dangerous as well and forms a false narrative that a risk factor that is almost non existent is out there, if you have had your jabs.

If someone is hospitalised for anything and they cannot be treated as an outpatient then obviously must be kept on a ward. If they also have Covid then they must be kept on a Covid ward - if not they would probably infect the patients being treated in a non-covid ward, these same patients are very likely to be in the most vulnerable categories either through age, weak immune system or all round piss poor health and Covid, on top of their other ailments, could easily be the catalyst that broke the camel(s) back and caused more deaths. This would lead to a bunch of clowns claiming that it wasn't Covid that caused these deaths - it was co-morbidities, because if they didn't have these other ailments they would probably have survived (so Covid isn't really serious)

This example of the theoretical patient hospitalised with a knee injury who also happens to have covid (which in itself would not require hospitalisation) is being used to highlight the fact that there are some people in Covid wards who don't need round the clock treatment for Covid. (so Covid isn't serious).

This example is just manipulative bollocks, if the guy was on a regular non Covid ward he would probably infect and kill other vulnerable patients which would be serious, but as he is in a Covid ward he won't endanger others - and as he has a minor non life-threatening (for him at least) case of Covid he can be used to show Covid isn't as serious as we thought.

Total shite. Give it a rest.

Manipulative bollocks? Facts are manipulative bollocks?

Your entire reply is designed to completely dismiss that one example there and you accuse me of manipulative bollocks? Haha and you have completely removed what I was saying and applied your own meaning to it, just to dismiss it.

Patient happens to have covid , gets put on covid ward , then forms part of the number in hospital with covid. Not sure how more simpler I can explain myself there , despite the manipulative bollocks accusations.

As for the 'saying covid hasn't killed these patients' line. The official line literally says died within 28 days of testing positive. It also says mentions covid on the death certificate. They put old age on a death certificate ffs. To throw back to you , I'd accuse dismissing anything other than covid being the reason someone has died as manipulative bollocks man. That does fit the description of that term.

 

[Crispycritters]

Actually not unusual, there is services such as gerontology for example that take on and treat patients under themselves rather than pass them over to other areas.

If a patient has a fall and hurts themself , they aren't turfed away at the door it can't be treated there and then.




I mean my job specifically operates with referrals on a daily basis so understanding them is kinda part of the role. So telling the difference to what is wrong with the patient is quite important......

Have you heard of clinical coding? Very boring job but they have to pull literal specific diagnosis from patient records , with thousands of variations. Hate to do that job but they delve even deeper into patient information , despite not being a doctor.

I may not be able to doctor it up but years experience of working with them, it's kinda obvious what a patient is in for and what treatment they need.

What false hope do you speak of? The data out there LITERALLY proves the vaccines work and have worked. I'd actually be quite interested in what the ratios were back in January because it will be significantly higher than 0.45% of cases.

I'd argue back sir that dismissing the actual data is dangerous as well and forms a false narrative that a risk factor that is almost non existent is out there, if you have had your jabs.



Manipulative bollocks? Facts are manipulative bollocks?

Your entire reply is designed to completely dismiss that one example there and you accuse me of manipulative bollocks? Haha and you have completely removed what I was saying and applied your own meaning to it, just to dismiss it.

Patient happens to have covid , gets put on covid ward , then forms part of the number in hospital with covid. Not sure how more simpler I can explain myself there , despite the manipulative bollocks accusations.

As for the 'saying covid hasn't killed these patients' line. The official line literally says died within 28 days of testing positive. It also says mentions covid on the death certificate. They put old age on a death certificate ffs. To throw back to you , I'd accuse dismissing anything other than covid being the reason someone has died as manipulative bollocks man. That does fit the description of that term.

Sure patient admitted to hospital is found to also have Covid - gets put on Covid ward and gets added to the statistics, this shows not everyone on a Covid ward's main problem that requires constant medical attention is necessarily covid. However they are taking up a bed in a covid ward because there is no other choice.

My reply that this is manipulative bollocks is because I interpreted your post as dismissive - i.e. if there are patients in Covid wards who aren't in any real danger from Covid itself - then it means Covid isn't as dangerous as we are led to believe. If that is not what you were trying to imply then, sorry - my answer that you can't put them in non Covid wards as they could infect others potentially causing more seriouslu illness or deaths because of their infectious disease, although obvious, helps highlight the extra problems hospitals face with having to run separate 'covid' and 'non covid' facilities and extra restrictions in staffing for exactly the same reasons.

If you re-read you'll find I wasn't trying to imply that Covid was the sole cause of death in anyone with co-morbidities, I was merely pointing out the obvious that if you put an infected person in a non covid ward and they infect others who are already seriously ill the chances are the cumulative affect of the extra disease combined with their existing conditions could easily be a cause of more deaths - anyone claiming these deaths are purely down to co-morbidites wouldn't be realistic as covid was an extra factor that put more strain on their system. What is written on the death certificate makes little difference - they're still dead

 

[vapesmarter]

Actually not unusual, there is services such as gerontology for example that take on and treat patients under themselves rather than pass them over to other areas.

If a patient has a fall and hurts themself , they aren't turfed away at the door it can't be treated there and then.




I mean my job specifically operates with referrals on a daily basis so understanding them is kinda part of the role. So telling the difference to what is wrong with the patient is quite important......

Have you heard of clinical coding? Very boring job but they have to pull literal specific diagnosis from patient records , with thousands of variations. Hate to do that job but they delve even deeper into patient information , despite not being a doctor.

I may not be able to doctor it up but years experience of working with them, it's kinda obvious what a patient is in for and what treatment they need.

What false hope do you speak of? The data out there LITERALLY proves the vaccines work and have worked. I'd actually be quite interested in what the ratios were back in January because it will be significantly higher than 0.45% of cases.

I'd argue back sir that dismissing the actual data is dangerous as well and forms a false narrative that a risk factor that is almost non existent is out there, if you have had your jabs.



Manipulative bollocks? Facts are manipulative bollocks?

Your entire reply is designed to completely dismiss that one example there and you accuse me of manipulative bollocks? Haha and you have completely removed what I was saying and applied your own meaning to it, just to dismiss it.

Patient happens to have covid , gets put on covid ward , then forms part of the number in hospital with covid. Not sure how more simpler I can explain myself there , despite the manipulative bollocks accusations.

As for the 'saying covid hasn't killed these patients' line. The official line literally says died within 28 days of testing positive. It also says mentions covid on the death certificate. They put old age on a death certificate ffs. To throw back to you , I'd accuse dismissing anything other than covid being the reason someone has died as manipulative bollocks man. That does fit the description of that term.

ok I’m going to spell it out for you

you have quoted a patient admitted that you have not met you have discussed in an open forum his covid status his admittance to the hospital and the reason why he has been admitted if he is on a covid ward and the attending nurse sees your post sees the patient with the knee problems and sees the fact he’s on a covid ward and there are 3 other patients with no knee problems there she may say “hey your on POTV”

so in short you are talking about confidential patient notes that should not be discussed with anyone else apart from his attending doctor, nurse or with his written consent

If you have any doubt raise the issue with your on call manager, duty manager or hospital trust

enough

 

[zouzounaki]

Actually not unusual, there is services such as gerontology for example that take on and treat patients under themselves rather than pass them over to other areas.

If a patient has a fall and hurts themself , they aren't turfed away at the door it can't be treated there and then.

no, of course not. i read your earlier post as it being a man who turned up at a and e complaining of a sore knee and they admitted him to an inpatient ward for some kind of medical treatment.

 

[Enoch]

ok I’m going to spell it out for you

you have quoted a patient admitted that you have not met you have discussed in an open forum his covid status his admittance to the hospital and the reason why he has been admitted if he is on a covid ward and the attending nurse sees your post sees the patient with the knee problems and sees the fact he’s on a covid ward and there are 3 other patients with no knee problems there she may say “hey your on POTV”

so in short you are talking about confidential patient notes that should not be discussed with anyone else apart from his attending doctor, nurse or with his written consent

If you have any doubt raise the issue with your on call manager, duty manager or hospital trust

enough

So there is only one patient in the entire country with a sore knee on a covid ward right? Actually entire UK with a sore knee? With no patient information , gender, age , ethnic background , location etc.

In fact as this is the internet this person may or may not even be real and could be a ficticuous example to prove a point in a place where noone gives a fuck about points, because it's, well the internet.

Think about it man.

 

[zouzounaki]

a ficticuous example to prove a point

that’s what i was thinking.

 

[akuma]

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I'd argue back sir that dismissing the actual data is dangerous as well and forms a false narrative that a risk factor that is almost non existent is out there, if you have had your jabs.

If you are under 60 years old with no underlying health conditions the risk of Covid killing you is almost non existent anyway jab or no jab.

 

[Simon G]

Who cares if a few people with sore knees are recorded in the covid patients, they ain't gonna die of a sore knee are they?

 

[zouzounaki]

Who cares if a few people with sore knees are recorded in the covid patients, they ain't gonna die of a sore knee are they?

they could do if they ended up with sepsis. it depends what exactly was causing the sore knee, i would guess.

 

[Simon G]

they could do if they ended up with sepsis. it depends what exactly was causing the sore knee, i would guess.

true .... Sacred does have a point then.