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The Dreaded TPD begins, be aware !

I didn't know about the TPD until yesterday. Well I knew about the implications for rolling tobacco, which is why I am vaping now. I only found out about the implications for vaping when I tried to find somewhere locally stocking glass EVOD tanks for my wife. No where had them. In the end I went into Flavour Vapour in Truro and they had some they were about to send back to Kanger. They explained the full implications of the TPD, something that Liberty Flights failed to do when we bought all our gear on Sunday. Flavour Vapour's customer service was excellent, so good in fact they are becoming my go to supplier.
 
Several have already done the calcs and warned of the ten fold increase in nic costs from buying shots.
Better to say it several times than not say it at all ... most DIYers here seem to be well stocked already.

As @Mr Numpty says though, this price hike for consumers does not translate into a price hike for compliant premade juice as manufacturers obviously won't be buying shots. That's not opinion. :)

Maybe the price of nic shots will reduce after 20th May and this is a cunning ruse to panic some folk into buying much more nic than they can possibly use before their early deaths through over-stressing? :D

Not quite true, as has been said, manufacturers will probably still be able to buy nicotine in amounts viable for manufacture, will little, or no price change, however the side of this that will increase costs, is that as they are manufacturers, they will have to comply / pay for the registration of every single product they.make, so again the new nic regs will force up prices.
Not so bad for the smaller companies that re bottle / re sell other manufacturers juice, but in the last few months they have been pushing more 30ml sales, as a singly 10ml bottle that has to be posted out is not really profitable. So they have recently been selling 30ml, comprising 3x10ml bottles in a box, nice idea, but somewhere along the line that adds the cost of an extra box with some fancy printing on it.
The guys who sell large bottles of zero nic juice that you add "shots" to, will have to pay as much as us for the nic, so that puts the price of that up to.
Don't matter, one way or another the new nicotine regs will have an effect on prices.
 
Not quite true, as has been said, manufacturers will probably still be able to buy nicotine in amounts viable for manufacture, will little, or no price change, however the side of this that will increase costs, is that as they are manufacturers, they will have to comply / pay for the registration of every single product they.make, so again the new nic regs will force up prices.
Not so bad for the smaller companies that re bottle / re sell other manufacturers juice, but in the last few months they have been pushing more 30ml sales, as a singly 10ml bottle that has to be posted out is not really profitable. So they have recently been selling 30ml, comprising 3x10ml bottles in a box, nice idea, but somewhere along the line that adds the cost of an extra box with some fancy printing on it.
The guys who sell large bottles of zero nic juice that you add "shots" to, will have to pay as much as us for the nic, so that puts the price of that up to.
Don't matter, one way or another the new nicotine regs will have an effect on prices.
I understand what you're saying but it looks like you're confusing the consumer pricing of nic shots with other apsects of the TRPR which are more directly influencing price changes. Bundling the entire TRPR up as "nic regs" is misrepresentation; as you correctly point out, much of this is to do with new packaging and presentation constraints and nothing at all to do with the price of nicotine itself.
I'm pretty sure that every savvy DIYer here on POTV was expecting a price increase for nic once the regs were fully implemented. It's a no brainer that 10ml bottles of max 20mg/ml would cost more than litre bottles of 72mg/ml. Not sure that we expected that price increase to be 1,000% though! Anyway, we each have our stashes now and we watch for whatever the resellers do next.
For clarity, I'm not a manufacturer myself, I only make a bit of juice for friends which I sell on at close to cost. :)
 
I have 6-12 years of nicotine in the freezer- 6 is if I increased what I am using at the moment quite drastically, around 8-9 years if I use what I use now, and 12+ if I reduce over the next decade.

It is a shame, but we knew this was coming, and did have time to stock up. Most here have got a lot in their freezer ready who DIY, people that have always bought juice will continue to do so. They may have to use nic shots to make up 60ML though for example.

What I find hard to grasp is if indeed juice prices are going up, people reverting to smoking. I understand people who use say Ego's and juice from the corner shop, but not with real mods and juice from vendors or DIY.
I only think this as I see vaping as a way to quit smoking, which many others do. Before vaping people quit using other methods which are also expensive, so if someone really wants to stay off cigarettes, they will.

Of course things will be more expensive, but I don't see it as being more expensive than smoking unless you are getting through a LOT of juice every day. If that is the case I would up my nicotine level or look at my vaping style.

By all this I only mean there is a way for everyone to continue vaping- it might not be as we knew it, but it is still there :)
 
@conanthewarrior

I sometimes think that I'm the only person who isn't really affected by any of the regulations.

My only concern is that because we've all stocked up with bargain juice our favourite juice vendors are really going to struggle for the rest of the year, ..... big reductions followed by a dip in sales is not good for businesses. I expect some UK hardware retailers will feel that too. ... yeah, that's a worry for me,
 
@conanthewarrior

I sometimes think that I'm the only person who isn't really affected by any of the regulations.

My only concern is that because we've all stocked up with bargain juice our favourite juice vendors are really going to struggle for the rest of the year, ..... big reductions followed by a dip in sales is not good for businesses. I expect some UK hardware retailers will feel that too. ... yeah, that's a worry for me,
I have also felt that way myself, I have plenty stocked up so won't really be affected either.

Some vendors will struggle for sure, and I hope that they make it out of the other side. For smaller businesses this will be hard seeing as even larger ones are being impacted.

For me, I only now really need to buy concentrates, batteries and wire, which don't fall under the regulations. There may be a new tank I like but it is very hard to justify them now with so many.

The only 'good' thing I can think about for vendors is that there are many more people that buy juice than make their own, so it will help support them during this time and the following months, or years it takes to reach a level they was at before.
 
I have also felt that way myself, I have plenty stocked up so won't really be affected either.

Some vendors will struggle for sure, and I hope that they make it out of the other side. For smaller businesses this will be hard seeing as even larger ones are being impacted.

For me, I only now really need to buy concentrates, batteries and wire, which don't fall under the regulations. There may be a new tank I like but it is very hard to justify them now with so many.

The only 'good' thing I can think about for vendors is that there are many more people that buy juice than make their own, so it will help support them during this time and the following months, or years it takes to reach a level they was at before.

From a purely selfish point of view ... as long as Manabush keep going I'll be fine. :)
 
I'm confused @simong , how can you say that you're unaffected if you plan to continue buying premade juices? Surely as Manabush make changes, they'll affect you as a customer?

I share you fears about likely spending by vapers in the remainder of 2017 as they tighten belts and work through their stashes.
 
I'm confused @simong , how can you say that you're unaffected if you plan to continue buying premade juices? Surely as Manabush make changes, they'll affect you as a customer?

I share you fears about likely spending by vapers in the remainder of 2017 as they tighten belts and work through their stashes.

I'll get sent a 10ml bottle in a box instead of a 10ml bottle not in a box or 3x10ml bottles in a box rather than a 30ml bottle. ..... that's not a big issue for me. I never have bought 50 and 100ml bottles.

I could also live with a small price rise if and when it's needed

obviously I have no idea what the future holds for the companies I buy from but at the moment things seem to have not really changed in any significant way for me. Maybe there's something dreadful around the corner I don't know about but I'm not aware of it. :)
 
You'd have thought that the higher nic vapers like myself and @simong would be more directly affected, but that is countered by the fact that we get through so much less juice than sub-ohmers. When you only get through 2-3ml in a day (4 ml if I'm caning it) you'll notice a price rise and the difference in packaging, but it won't really bite - I've never bought in 50 or 100 ml bottles either. I DIY about half the juice I use, but am still working my way through my first bottle of nicotine.

I won't be able to buy most of the one-shots and easy mixes because they won't cater for 12 mg nic, but I never have been able to buy many juices in that strength, and they're usually too high in VG anyway.

That's not to say I'm happy about the TPD, I'm not, and I share the concern about vendors/manufacturers having to cope with a fall in sales whilst people work through their bargains, on top of all their other woes. :(
 
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