UK Gov To Ban Disposables?

[ZT]

I think this is a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The environmental impact of disposables is indisputable, but the major part of that problem is and was driven by two amoral Chinese companies.

The work done by British firms over the last 18 months was laudable and should have set the way forward - and it’s shameful that the two trade bodies completely failed to pressure the two into action.

Research evidence is clear, disposables helped marginalised communities. We should be working towards environmentally sustainable products combined with better funded enforcement to hit illegal traders. The blunt force approach of a ban is never going to work.

My lad turned up at home yesterday, illegal vape in hand. This will continue with a ban. There won’t be collections for these products, they’ll just be lobbed. Prohibition never works.

I think the idea of restricting (obviously legal) vapes (disposable or otherwise) to specialist shops (vape shops) and online would help sort a lot of the problem - if the corner shop is not allowed to sell any vapes, then it would make it much clearer to trading standards etc which ones are continuing to do so.

heavy taxes on the push for a smoke free britain is truly retarded.

flavour limitations - i cant even see how they are enforceable to an extent - what defines what ?

 

[vapesmarter]

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heavy taxes on the push for a smoke free britain is truly retarded.

flavour limitations - i cant even see how they are enforceable to an extent - what defines what ?[/QUOTE]

smoke-free is only 5% of the population

flavors are 4 licensed flavors the rest are banned the sellers registered with the council and the government to sell in licensed premises that pay 25% tax the same methods as alcohol i would expect

 

[andipandi]

flavour limitations - i cant even see how they are enforceable to an extent - what defines what ?

Which will eventually be Streeting's argument, a defacto vape ban and back to the Inhalator, I was using them in 2000, the only way they would stop you smoking is if you swallow the thing and choke to death.

 

[Toby iVapour]

but you will see those products now tumble in price a vendor can't dump them down the tip pallets and pallets millions of disposables will be pence to buy the flood that will hit the market as vendors try and dump stock will be a feeding frenzy for anyone who uses them the lines to dump stock will be vague I expect you will see huge amounts of these hitting the streets (pun intended) as the government bring in a law to ban them and hook on the new law to restrict flavors at the same time to just 4

There's loads of stuff I don't understand about the disposables market...

One of them is the amount of companies (brands you would never have heard of) that try and get in on the disposables trend over the last couple of years in the hope of making some headway.. a few months later the distributors are reducing the prices of them in order to clear.. and then get in some new brands for the same cycle to occur...

Even Elf Bars (V1 & V2) are being reduced or not being restocked by some distributors.
(Elf Bar / Lost Mary / Crystal Bar have the predominant market share)

I also don't understand the TPD compliant "5000 puff disposables" (or similar high number) that have been coming out the last few months, when you can get a reusable, refillable, pod changeable vape for the same price...
(I pointed this out to a manufacturer we do business with, saying we were not interested, but got no reply)

 

[vapesmarter]

Which will eventually be Streeting's argument, a defacto vape ban and back to the Inhalator, I was using them in 2000, the only way they would stop you smoking is if you swallow the thing and choke to death

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back in the day I remember a patient talking about these

“there useless I’ve been using this one a lot it doesn't do anything I think it’s broken it’s not been the same this past month”

“ do you use it a lot”

“all the time everyday”

“ how long have you been using that one”

“Oh god it must be eight months now”

“oh I see…..er….weeeelllll”

 

[zouzounaki]

There's loads of stuff I don't understand about the disposables market...

One of them is the amount of companies (brands you would never have heard of) that try and get in on the disposables trend over the last couple of years in the hope of making some headway.. a few months later the distributors are reducing the prices of them in order to clear.. and then get in some new brands for the same cycle to occur...

Even Elf Bars (V1 & V2) are being reduced or not being restocked by some distributors.
(Elf Bar / Lost Mary / Crystal Bar have the predominant market share)

I also don't understand the TPD compliant "5000 puff disposables" (or similar high number) that have been coming out the last few months, when you can get a reusable, refillable, pod changeable vape for the same price...
(I pointed this out to a manufacturer we do business with, saying we were not interested, but got no reply)

i suspect this is because there are a few big manufacturers that are making all of them. they churn them out and offer an “oem” service, whereby you or i could set up a disposable company, specify a few cosmetic changes and a few weeks later have pallets of our own disposables arriving.

see here, for example https://dovpo.com/pages/dovpo-oem-odm

 

[MarylinC37]

I also don't understand the TPD compliant "5000 puff disposables" (or similar high number) that have been coming out

I'm confised by that as well. I thought the 600 puff ones were meant to be the 2ml TPD disposables.

 

[vapervince]

I still cant get my head around the rumoured heavy handed approach proposed by the Govt that will undoubtedly ostracize vapers and encourage black markets when existing legislation, if properly enforced, covered all the bases.

The potential smoking quitters who currently use illegal vapes are not magically going to grow a conscience and start buying whatever is deemed legal after the dust has settled, they will keep the black market healthy while we hobbyist and probably veteran vapers will be limited to the ill informed choices proferred by non vaping, uncaring, faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall, how many of us will be joining the ranks of the underground illegal single use vapers in order to get a halfway decent vape?

The only winners, should the proposed measures be confirmed in law, will be the very industries that the measures were intended to eradicate.

Crazy.

 

[zouzounaki]

a 5000 puff disposable could only be tpd compliant if you can refill it. you can’t get 5000 puffs from 2ml of liquid

 

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