As another battery explodes in a pocket-who do you blame?

[conanthewarrior]

Something along the lines of this maybe could be shown?

The whole video shows the process from start to finish, but from 3:00 to 3:30 should be enough to show the battery going off like a firework.

A faster vent would be ideal, this is just an idea of what could be shown to people?

It might be worth showing to your friend too @stu pid , it did make my fiancee start listening and I would hate to hear something had happened to him due to a venting battery.

 

[stu pid]

@conanthewarrior hope your good mate. No the fella at work is not a close freind but I've seen his cells and the wraps are split and showing the metal. And he wonders why his Sigelli blew up whilst on charge. I've offered to rewrap them but he's an accident waiting to happen, he just doesn't get it or doesn't care. I've explained to the 2 lads who share a lorry with him and they've told him "your not using that in here" he won't listen but others have Gotta be safe.
@bracey I thank you for your post, an example of a newish user that hasn't been advised by the vendor he brought from. More effort should be made with warnings. And @bracey stick with the forum we are all here to help and keep people safe.[emoji106]

 

[leeg]

I guess a warning label could work for a lot of people, but as @stu pid pointed out, he has a friend that will not listen to any advice given on the matter.

As the saying goes, you cant help stupid
Short of a complete battery ban, you cant help people like that who are missing a complete intellect level

Warning and advisory labels, take all onus away from sellers and manufactures on resulting injuries

I seem to remember someone suffering scalding after spilling a hot drink in a takeaway chain years ago in America
The person won their claim, and forced the chain to put some kind of warning on their hot drinks

 

[vapemac]

I guess a warning label could work for a lot of people, but as @stu pid pointed out, he has a friend that will not listen to any advice given on the matter.

I was thinking that a video of a catastrophic failure may be a good idea to show what can happen if you don't handle these batteries correctly.


I think I may know who you are talking about, was they sitting behind him on display standing up?

Batteries when treated correctly are safe, we use similar batteries in our phones, laptops and other devices daily.

I think that it should be a big priority for sellers, most vapers on forums offer sound advice regarding safety which is good to see, especially when it is helping newer vapers.

And it IS scary what goes on out there, I agree.

@jsixtysix do you mean every battery should come with an easy to read label, or actual pocket lol.

No, not him but that just goes to show you that it's not an isolated incident. These were lying flat on table some in boxes but about 15 of them just lying carelessly.

 

[conanthewarrior]

@conanthewarrior hope your good mate. No the fella at work is not a close freind but I've seen his cells and the wraps are split and showing the metal. And he wonders why his Sigelli blew up whilst on charge. I've offered to rewrap them but he's an accident waiting to happen, he just doesn't get it or doesn't care. I've explained to the 2 lads who share a lorry with him and they've told him "your not using that in here" he won't listen but others have Gotta be safe.
@bracey I thank you for your post, an example of a newish user that hasn't been advised by the vendor he brought from. More effort should be made with warnings. And @bracey stick with the forum we are all here to help and keep people safe.

I am good thanks mate, how have you been keeping?

Bloody hell, he has already had a mod blow up whilst charging? This would be enough to make me re-think my approach to safety, if that occurred while he was sleeping he could of lost a lot more than a mod, and I have a terrible feeling with him ignoring advice and a mod exploding he does charge his devices overnight unattended.

I have met one vaper who did not want to learn anything, and even with advice said "I don't need to know this", and when he got a mech mod I stopped helping him, as I knew I would get the blame when he put a 0.0001 build in there and took his face off.

I gather the two other lads you explained too know it is not E-cigs in general, and just this guys ignorance of safety putting himself and them at risk?

And @bracey , I would not charge your batteries overnight mate. I know it is not ideal to hear, and failures are rare with good equipment, but while you are sleeping it is a real fire hazard if something was to go wrong while charging.

I recommend everyone to have at least one other mod they can use while the other is charging, and I know it will cost you more money, but you can't put a price on your life. A cheaper option would be to buy another set of batteries so you always have a charged set?

Any help you need as @stu pid has mentioned, we are all here to help so whatever you decide, we will advise you on anything, there are no silly questions either I must of asked literally hundreds of questions to start, only silly answers .

 

[conanthewarrior]

No, not him but that just goes to show you that it's not an isolated incident. These were lying flat on table some in boxes but about 15 of them just lying carelessly.

Ooh I see what you mean. Hopefully it was just for the video and he doesn't keep them like that in a box or something!

 

[edify]

The manufacturers aren't knowingly producing the cells for the purpose of vaping, so really it's down to vaping retailers to stress that 18650 etc, cells in mods are appropriated technology and can not be 100% safe, no matter how glossy the packaging or glowing the reputation is.

 

[conanthewarrior]

The manufacturers aren't knowingly producing the cells for the purpose of vaping, so really it's down to vaping retailers to stress that 18650 etc, cells in mods are appropriated technology and can not be 100% safe, no matter how glossy the packaging or glowing the reputation is.

I completely agree the manufacturer is not liable, after all we get our cells on a grey market as they are intended for other purposes than vaping.

So it seems we agree retailers should be stressing to new vapers the dangers of batteries, and how to be safe. I don't use brick and mortar stores myself, as around here they are not very good.

One example is a lounge in Basildon, the worker was telling me just how safe his 0.09 build in his tube mech, with no vent holes, was, on a LG HE4. I asked him if he was going to add vent holes, to which his reply was "No way, it is plated with silver and will ruin conductivity"-at this point I realised I was speaking with a donut.

Does anyone have any local shops that do give good advice in regards to battery safety? As luckily I know what I am doing, and could ignore his comment about his super safe build and continue to follow what I have learnt, my worry is he would pass this kind of information to a newer vaper which would be completely irresponsible.

 

[mannikon]

Education and awareness is what's needed and that's what we get on this forum.

Feel very sorry for that guy's leg in the newspaper article but as always these articles raise more questions than provide meaningful answers.
It could have been a brand new Samsung Galaxy Note 7 in his pocket.
He could have been driving on the motorway with cheap tyres on his sports car.
He could have been unblocking a drain with acid.
He could have used a metal container in a microwave oven.

Would warning stickers on li-ion cells help? Probably not. Do people laugh at "antics" in Jackass? Yes, they do.

Cells are not the danger, users are.

 

[danb]

Was anyone else a bit annoyed at ASH's response here?
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Campaign group Ash said: “E-cigarettes are still far less harmful than tobacco but problems tend to arise from leaving them to charge overnight and using the wrong battery or charger.”
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It's nothing to do with overnight charging or incorrect hardware. Sometimes more than a stock response is warranted.

The next issue is this cockroach of a journalist's failure to point out why the cell went thermal and how others can avoid having the same accident - that and explaining that e-cigs had no part to play in this accident. A loose Li-ion cell will turn your thigh to crackling when it shorts in your pocket regardless of what device you are planning to use it in, ecig or not.

It was ultimately this poor guy's own fault that he barbecued his leg, but that doesn't mean nobody should have warned him first. I do think all vaping retailers should sell/ship batteries in storage boxes or battery condoms (which many do, but not all) and include a warning sticker on the box explaining why the box/condom is necessary. It's just a basic courtesy. Sure, some idiots will ignore the warnings, but I think there are a large number of nice, sensible people who are simply unaware of the hazards of loose Li-ion cells, which they haven't come into contact with before.