Good quality Rose V2 Clones are here...

[Panter]

Go frig off, its my birthday before xmas

There you go then, TWO things to be happy about!

 

[JennyJ]

Love it... I've been accused of lazy thinking by someone who's just used a metric fucktonne of 'I'm loosing this argument' cliches

-Put me in the same category as someone 'bad'

Pathetic. You sound just like the rabid anti-smokers who attack vaping

-Use cultural differences to excuse illegal activities

Not many Chinese are going to give your moral framework the time of day, different moral values does not mean moral bankruptcy

-Make comparisons between a reasonable conclusion and outrageously misconstrued evidence

a conclusion to suit your argument based on unrelated "facts" ... or pure assumption. So 80% of the Northern Irish drink Guinness, 49% are Catholic and 5% are priests - which makes you, by extrapolation, a drunken paedophile, right?

-Cite anecdotal evidence as proof

I've been to Shenzhen, I've visited factories and talked with the migrant workers who live in the dormitories. I've worked in Shanghai and Beijing

- Deny something exists because you can't see it

What I am asking you to do is provide some evidence that the electronics companies and other high tech engineering companies who are cloning vape gear are also using child labour, slave labour, forcing suicide inducing conditions or whatever other emotional tag you want to pin on them

-And when all else fails you've always got white privilege

ignorant bollocks that fortunate Westerners love to reflect on unfortunate Asians

 

[bronbunbet]

 

[Mostly]

There goes the heron fund, thanks for the info re sales.
Although the paps fund is intact.

 

[phlashbios]

Just thought I would pop in for a nose and see where this thread has gone since my last comment *sighs*

Leaves again with heavy shoulders

It's right that is should be discussed, from both sides of the argument. Discussion can change opinion as long as it can be kept civil. Granted, some people struggle with the being civil element :-)

 

[Miss Pepper]

civility works both ways and sometimes it takes a better (wo)man to walk away with head held high than to continue a debate with flogging a horse

maaaaaaaaaaaaaan this guinness is good tonight

 

[Mawsley]

Pathetic. You sound just like the rabid anti-smokers who attack vaping - I see smoke therefore it's smoke - ban it! Not many Chinese are going to give your moral framework the time of day, having different moral values does not mean moral bankruptcy. You want to provide loose facts and reflect them onto a specific - it's lazy thinking, and you're smart enough to know it.

Except that isn't statistical extrapolation is it? It's contriving a conclusion to suit your argument based on unrelated "facts" ... or pure assumption. So 80% of the Northern Irish drink Guinness, 49% are Catholic and 5% are priests - which makes you, by extrapolation, a drunken paedophile, right?
I've been to Shenzhen, I've visited factories and talked with the migrant workers who live in the dormitories. I've worked in Shanghai and Beijing and I've seen just as many Western reports on working conditions as you, maybe many more. Same goes for India, same goes for Mexico.

Now I'm not going to deny that there are industry sectors where working conditions are simply appalling, you'll find them in 3rd world countries across the world. What I am asking you to do is provide some evidence that the electronics companies and other high tech engineering companies who are cloning vape gear are also using child labour, slave labour, forcing suicide inducing conditions or whatever other emotional tag you want to pin on them. I want to see a link not this lazy, ignorant bollocks that fortunate Westerners love to reflect on unfortunate Asians.

If at first ad hominem doesn't work try reductio ad absurdum and try again.

You appear more intelligent than your laboured arguments.

 

[Blackhack]

I'd just like to say.....I've got an Orange.....

 

[DirkBongo]

OK. Try this...

The sad truth of HCigar : electronic_cigarette

That's one of the biggest clone makers too.

That was proven to be a load of old bollocks.
Hcigar not using child labour + Free tea and biscuits + Factory tour: FastTech Forums

 

[Mawsley]

http://youtu.be/-vobezXjOj4