Good quality Rose V2 Clones are here...

[JennyJ]

Does it? What would your argument be based on?

Facts and statistics:
-250 million children between the ages of five and fourteen work
-61% of them working in Asia
-China houses 61% of the 120 million full time child laborers.
-The Chinese government forbids child workers under the age of sixteen, but this law is very poorly enforced
-As many as 10 million children are working in China’s factories

 

[scrumpox]

On the basis that even with companies like Foxconn who manufacture for Apple, people throw themselves off buildings because it gets so bad. I am pretty sure that they aren't the worst company to work for in China, either. Obviously I can't speak for SXK and Pallics etc, as I don't know what their working conditions are like, but if Fasttech as a retailer can punt out clones for £10 (and they do), then some poor bugger at the manufacturing end is trying to live on a bag of rice a week.

OK, so it's based purely on assumption then.

 

[Miss Pepper]

ElsaBubs you still here, you should pop and check my latest thread, having you crying like a baby as I know you wanted one....................

 

[scrumpox]

Facts and statistics:
-250 million children between the ages of five and fourteen work
-61% of them working in Asia
-China houses 61% of the 120 million full time child laborers.
-The Chinese government forbids child workers under the age of sixteen, but this law is very poorly enforced
-As many as 10 million children are working in China’s factories

Very broad brush, let's see some facts relating to the companies involved in manufacturing clone vape gear rather than the garment industry, for example.

 

[Mostly]

If a genuine kayfun was 30 quid and a clone was/is 15 the majority would buy the clone. I don't know what magic shop they got their cigarettes from, but I imagine it was ferry. Then grumble about the NHS, immigration.
Then watch sky multi room.
Too many people buy loads of clone shit and moan about the price of genuine items. Save up buy decent shit and fucking use Google search.
Amen.

 

[phlashbios]

OK, so it's based purely on assumption then.

Yes, if you like.
Or another way of looking at it, it is based on extrapolation from given, factual examples of a major Chinese employer, who are likely to have better working conditions than some of the sweat shops that will be about, and yet people still find it bad enough to commit suicide.

China aren't exactly known for their solid labour laws and good working conditions.

Or do you think they are?

 

[phlashbios]

If a genuine kayfun was 30 quid and a clone was/is 15 the majority would buy the clone. I don't know what magic shop they got their cigarettes from, but I imagine it was ferry. Then grumble about the NHS, immigration.
Then watch sky multi room.
Too many people buy loads of clone shit and moan about the price of genuine items. Save up buy decent shit and fucking use Google search.
Amen.

Even that's not possible in quite a few cases. Some of the stuff I would like to buy is simply unobtainable new. I have the money to buy the gear, I just can't find anyone that has it. I have used Google till I am blue in the face but it doesn't make people have stock on their shelves.

 

[bronbunbet]

Very broad brush, let's see some facts relating to the companies involved in manufacturing clone vape gear rather than the garment industry, for example.

A broad brush you were waving earlier comparing the vaping market to every other market.

 

[JennyJ]

Very broad brush, let's see some facts relating to the companies involved in manufacturing clone vape gear rather than the garment industry, for example.

The onus of proof isn't on me. I don't buy clones

But I wonder is it such a stretch of the imagination that a company who produce counterfeit goods (illegal), import them without paying taxes and tariffs (illegal) would employ child labourers or have really shitty working conditions. I like the notion people have that because I haven't personally inspected said factory, then I'm wrong to assume the morally corrupt company has anything other than fantastic pension schemes, paid holidays and Christmas bonuses for all!

 

[wilko]

Hi Jenny,the money statement is most certainly not an arguement from my point of view it`s a fact.So you can actually afford to save up for a Rose or three?Well I would love to be in that position,but it aint gonna happen for a long time,even then if I saved up I doubt very much I would spend that amount on an atty.I dont rob Peter to pay Paul I compromise,and a clone to me is a fucking good compromise.With regards to people throwing that money statement into the faces of those that can afford it that imho is complete bullshit.I would say there are more people spurting off with the likes of " I know so and so who makes these and it`s wrong " Fred and fucking Burt who makes these are friends of my bestest fucking matey mate and you are fucking them over! "

I have yet to see a thread or debate started by the OP having a go at people who have purchased an original piece of kit,it is always the other way around.We have a Jehovah witness hall down the road from us,fine,do your own thing as it does not worry me in the slightest, but don`t come knocking on my door preaching to me what I should and should not fucking do.You mention nobody needs high end gear to vape,I agree, as I do with there is plenty of reasonably priced gear out there,but we are talking the Rose V2 clone here.There was a mod maker on Facebook a few weeks back,cannot remember who it was but they posted up a copy of a conversation script they were having with a company in China.They got wind that they had cloned their mod,and they said that`s fine,but if you are going to do it at least work with us to get all the correct specs and tolerances of the engineering side of it all,that to me is how it should be done,but thats just one opinion.

And you know the best bit? They do exactly the same thing! That's a reason why I ain't forking out top money on a tube that holds a battery. I'd rather save that money that I saved on buying my clone to go towards something with more importance like my kids, car, holiday etc.

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