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[bronbunbet]

I did!
I filled it up with some Key West as a "palate cleanser" between the Hooch in the Kayfun and the bastardised mixture in the aerotank that even Miss P would be too ashamed to admit to so we'll quickly gloss over that one!!
Anyhow, it vaped really well! Flavours a bit muted, not a lot of vapour but it worked, and worked well
I think it's all too easy to get wrapped up in chasing the vape all the time, nice to go back to basics sometimes

You, Sir, are an absolute gent. I shall drop you a pm now.

Miss Pepper has a bastardising apprentice now then

 

[Panter]

@Miss Pepper has a bastardising apprentice now then

Let's just say there were 4 juices from 3 different vendors involved, it was a regular e-juice bar room brawl!!

 

[scrumpox]

The money argument comes up time and time again and it drives me bananas. Mostly because time and time again, it's thrown in the faces of people who can afford original mods. The assumption always seems to be that people who buy originals have lots of money to chuck about and so our anti-clone stance is taken from a position of privilege and anybody not in said privileged position can justify buying clones because they 'aren't as well off'

Well, I buy originals, but Rockefeller I ain't- I don't drink, I don't smoke, I do my food shopping very sensibly, I haven't bought a new pair of shoes or new clothes in a VERY long time, a lot of the furniture in my home is bought second hand and I've done it up, I bargain hunt and discount find constantly, I spend hours on sites like hotukdeals and I negotiate the best prices on everything, I am a first class haggler. If I want an original mod and I can't afford it I save up..

It's all well and good if you don't want to spend x amount on a genuine mod, but to use money as an excuse like clones are your only option is, in my opinion, bullshit! There is plenty of reasonably priced genuine kit out there, nobody NEEDS high end gear in order to vape, they WANT it, so price becomes irrelevant to the argument.


Oh and as an aside, whilst we're on the subject of money, don't think your sly dig the other day went unnoticed. We could have chosen to justify why Sam and I own origional mods but aren't in a position to fork out for camping gear we wont use again for god knows how long, but frankly, it's none of your fucking business ''

Hi Jenny, why do you let yourself go bananas over the money argument? It's got nothing to do with cost and value for you, vaping is clearly in a completely different category of spend for you and bears no relation to the value for money judgements that you apply to everything else in your life. This is a matter of how you choose to prioritise your spend.
Others do not prioritise their vaping over other things they have to pay for, that does not make their value for money assessment "bullshit", it simply makes their priorisation different to yours.
My wife for example scrimps and saves all year round and then is happy to blow wads on a holiday, almost crazily. She'd take a package when offered and doesn't want to spend time on it. Me, I spend hours trawling websites for flights, hotels, activities and save at least 20% on the deal she's found. I think it's pointless saving 7p on a can of tomatoes all year round and then blowing £100's unnecessarily on flights.
You spend money where you want to spend your money.

 

[Miss Pepper]

Let's just say there were 4 juices from 3 different vendors involved, it was a regular e-juice bar room brawl!!

 

[phlashbios]

Very much so. What I am alluding to is that vaping is not a world unto itself, life and business go on around it. The judgement people use in making buying decisions for vaping gear should follow the same as it would for any other kind of purchase - so yes, each very much to their own.
The principles of business are the same no matter what business you are in. Most businesses are strong in some areas, weak in others. What you consider to be "nowt but nonsense", I actually think is very pertinent indeed and the evidence is in the marketplace and in this thread.

I buy both clones and originals. I have roughly equal amounts of both. If it's something I definitely want, I'll buy an original, if it's something I think I'll like but not sure, I'll maybe try a clone of it first. A classic example for me, is the recent Kato box. I liked the look of it, but I was not at all sure I liked the look of it in terms of paying £175 for an original, so I thought I would try the clone. The clone I bought was a 1:1 copy, so pretty much identical to the original and with hindsight now, I am glad I didn't buy the original. Kato didn't lose a sale from me, because I wouldn't have paid out the £175 in the first place for something I wasn't entirely sure about, and having tried the clone, it's OK, but not £175 OK for an original. It is now sitting with my Squape R and a Kick in it on my computer desk as just something handy for when I am at the computer.

Clones are a bit like buying fake Raybans or a fake D&G bag, there's a section of the market that will only ever buy clones, as they don't see the value of the originals (I have to say, I struggle to see it in some of the originals too) and the original manufacturers are not losing any sales to those people, because they wouldn't have bought one in the first place. At the other end of the spectrum are people who only ever buy originals, so clearly, logic dictates that no sales are lost to the original manufacturer there either. Then the last segment of the market is people like me, in the middle - If it's something I really want, I'll buy the original, if it's something I am not entirely sure about, then I'll buy a clone and try it, and if I turn out to love it, I will buy an original. Again, no sales lost to the original manufacturer there, either.

There's an argument to be had that buying Chinese clones, encourages forced labour and terrible working conditions, and that argument has some validity, but I don't really accept the argument that people buying clones, deprives the original manufacturer of any sales, for the reasons I have already outlined.

 

[JennyJ]

Hi Jenny, why do you let yourself go bananas over the money argument?

Not using clones is a personal, moral, judgment I make. It irks me that people use money as an excuse, particularly when they think it ok for them to pass judgement on my family's personal financial situation based on their own assumptions!

This thread is a perfect example, we're not talking a £10 clone from fastech here were talking about £45, almost as much as it would cost to pick up something like a genuine Kayfun brand new (you could probably find one for around £45 in good condition on the classies)... So this isn't about not being able to afford good vape gear, it's about not being able to afford the particular high end atty you want.

Nobody buys a fake rolex because they desperately need to tell the time, that's what brands like Nixon are for.

 

[scrumpox]

There's an argument to be had that buying Chinese clones, encourages forced labour and terrible working conditions, and that argument has some validity ...

Does it? What would your argument be based on?

 

[bronbunbet]

Does it? What would your argument be based on?

Hopefully not based on ring fencing every business under the same supply and demand umbrella that's for sure or that would become tiresome

 

[phlashbios]

Does it? What would your argument be based on?

On the basis that even with companies like Foxconn who manufacture for Apple, people throw themselves off buildings because it gets so bad. I am pretty sure that they aren't the worst company to work for in China, either. Obviously I can't speak for SXK and Pallics etc, as I don't know what their working conditions are like, but if Fasttech as a retailer can punt out clones for £10 (and they do), then some poor bugger at the manufacturing end is trying to live on a bag of rice a week.

 

[phlashbios]

I've had a GP Paps clone for a while and love it, so I've just spent weeks trying to buy a new, genuine one and can't find one. I've picked up a second hand one from the UKV forums this week, but I would have preferred to buy new and benefit the manufacturer. It's not just as black and white as clones = bad, originals = good.