Mask exemptions

[vapemac]

Very true mate, regarding the half a million figure.
But that was an estimate for the whole of the world.

My comparison over the average number of deaths each year in the UK was country specific.
So we have at the moment ~50,000 deaths from covid, but in an average year some 14,000 people die from "seasonal" flu in the UK.

Taking things to a global level, as you have just used, the infamous "Spanish Flu" is estimated to have killed 50 million people worldwide.

Don't get me wrong, the current death toll in the UK is terrible, and all countries are doing their best to minimise it, but at times it can be useful to take stock of what has happened in the past, apart from the current situation.

I know I'm like several pages late and probably 3 different conversations have probably taken place since but that was the figure for the UK not worldwide. The absolute worst case scenario was 500,000 in the UK alone. That was modelled on the wee man's initial call for herd immunity and what was actually responsible for us going into lock down. It was at that moment that they realised that us 'taking it on the chin' would be a massacre.

 

[Badboybez]

I know I'm like several pages late and probably 3 different conversations have probably taken place since but that was the figure for the UK not worldwide. The absolute worst case scenario was 500,000 in the UK alone. That was modelled on the wee man's initial call for herd immunity and what was actually responsible for us going into lock down. It was at that moment that they realised that us 'taking it on the chin' would be a massacre.

No worries.
I assumed, as you had not said otherwise that the estimate was for the world, not just the UK.

Mind you who produced this estimate, and how long ago ?
Given that the current death toll in the UK is only 50 K so far (deplorable though that is) it is far, far short of that estimate of 500 K.

By the "wee man" I have to assume (yet again) that you were referring to Boris, as that description could equally describe Nicola.

Don't forget that Boris takes advice from not only his cabinet ministers, but also the governments SAGE committee, who in turn monitor the views of the WHO, and other global medical advisory organisations.
It was only in the last couple of days that the WHO (a body that seems to hold great store with other apes) finally after months of dithering decided that it was beneficial to aattempt to control the spread of covid by the use of face masks.

 

["Misfit"]

By the "wee man" I have to assume (yet again) that you were referring to Boris, as that description could equally describe Nicola.

It's an easy mistake as Nicola has bigger balls than Boris.

 

[Badboybez]

It's an easy mistake as Nicola has bigger balls than Boris.

Is that what gives here that pained expression on her face, a bit like she has just swallowed a fucking wasp, and tried to pick the bits out her teeth with a thistle.

Mind you she may have bigger balls than our PM.
But Boris has far better tits than your First Minister....................

We always have better than you have, remember the "eton numpties" post.

 

["Misfit"]

I dread to think what their offspring would look like.

 

[Badboybez]

I dread to think what their offspring would look like.

Oh, I could think of a few people................................

 

[Badboybez]

I wasn't responding about a mask. You questioned my opinion that gloves were a waste of time [emoji6]
As from 24th, masks in shops are to be compulsory (except for certain situations) , I'm not happy about that but will conform because it will be the law.

No need to bother confirming it for me mate.
Below is an extract from the latest government website briefings.
So I should be fine, along with thousands of others.
I have changed the text to red in the part appertaining to my conditions.

@Social Misfit this may be of help to you, whilst this is UK regs, the Scottish one seems much the same, but the exemption is not as detailed.

Extract From

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronav...ance-for-passengers#exemptions-face-coverings

Exemptions - people who do not have to wear a face covering

The requirement to wear a face covering does not apply to:

· a child under the age of 11

· passengers in an allocated cabin, berth or other similar accommodation, when they are alone or with members of their household or support bubble

· passengers who remain in their private vehicle while on board public transport, for example on a car ferry

· an employee of the transport operator, when they are acting in the course of their employment

· any other person providing services to the transport operator, under arrangements made with the transport operator, who is providing those services

· a constable or police community support officer acting in the course of their duty

· an emergency responder such as a paramedic or fire officer acting in the course of their duty

· an official, for example a border force officer, acting in the course of their duties

You also do not need to wear a face covering if you have a good reason not to. This includes:

· if you have a physical or mental illness or impairment, or a disability that means you cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering

· if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering would cause you severe distress

· if you are travelling with, or providing assistance to, someone who relies on lip reading to communicate

· if you are travelling to avoid injury or escape the risk of harm, and you do not have a face covering with you

· if you need to remove it during your journey to avoid harm or injury or the risk of harm or injury to yourself or others

· if you need to eat, drink, or take medication you can remove your face covering

· if you are asked to remove your face covering by a police officer or other official, for example to check your railcard

Enforcement of face coverings on public transport

You are not allowed to get on public transport if you are not wearing a face covering, unless you have a legitimate reason for not wearing one. Transport staff may tell you not to board or ask you to get off.

If you refuse to wear a face covering, you can receive a fine from the police or Transport for London enforcement officers. The fixed penalty notice will require you to pay £100 (reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days).

 

[RAPTOREX]

No need to bother confirming it for me mate.
Below is an extract from the latest government website briefings.
So I should be fine, along with thousands of others.
I have changed the text to red in the part appertaining to my conditions.

@Social Misfit this may be of help to you, whilst this is UK regs, the Scottish one seems much the same, but the exemption is not as detailed.

Extract From

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronav...ance-for-passengers#exemptions-face-coverings

Exemptions - people who do not have to wear a face covering

The requirement to wear a face covering does not apply to:

· a child under the age of 11

· passengers in an allocated cabin, berth or other similar accommodation, when they are alone or with members of their household or support bubble

· passengers who remain in their private vehicle while on board public transport, for example on a car ferry

· an employee of the transport operator, when they are acting in the course of their employment

· any other person providing services to the transport operator, under arrangements made with the transport operator, who is providing those services

· a constable or police community support officer acting in the course of their duty

· an emergency responder such as a paramedic or fire officer acting in the course of their duty

· an official, for example a border force officer, acting in the course of their duties

You also do not need to wear a face covering if you have a good reason not to. This includes:

· if you have a physical or mental illness or impairment, or a disability that means you cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering

· if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering would cause you severe distress

· if you are travelling with, or providing assistance to, someone who relies on lip reading to communicate

· if you are travelling to avoid injury or escape the risk of harm, and you do not have a face covering with you

· if you need to remove it during your journey to avoid harm or injury or the risk of harm or injury to yourself or others

· if you need to eat, drink, or take medication you can remove your face covering

· if you are asked to remove your face covering by a police officer or other official, for example to check your railcard

Enforcement of face coverings on public transport

You are not allowed to get on public transport if you are not wearing a face covering, unless you have a legitimate reason for not wearing one. Transport staff may tell you not to board or ask you to get off.

If you refuse to wear a face covering, you can receive a fine from the police or Transport for London enforcement officers. The fixed penalty notice will require you to pay £100 (reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days).

Having just gone through this, I can say. There are few diagnosed problems , on the list offered by public health England, that doctors must adhere to when handing out exemptions. If you don't suffer from any of those, you haven't a hope of getting an exemption. " I can't breath", "they cause panic attacks" and "you can't tell me what to do", aren't on the list.
Ironically I'm automatically coved, by an exemption. Yet it wouldn't occur to me not to wear a mask. They are for the protection of others, not me. And I have no right to put others at risk. It amuses me how many think they have that right.

 

[WASD in Blue]

My Dad is exempt from wearing a mask but he says he will continue to wear a mask to protect others and himself, I've just got back from a bit of shopping and I wore a mask from leaving the house to returning ... I don't see that it's a big thing and does not impair

 

[iqon]

I`m probably exempt but would still wear one if ever the need arose.