Vaccine 90% effective

[Mr Ripple]

Hope we're not jumping the gun here.......

They say its been tested on 43,000 people and only 94 of them have contracted Covid-19 so far

Have the 43,000 been subject to covid or have they just avoided it so far?
The article doesn't seem to clarify.

 

[oldhippydude]

Hope we're not jumping the gun here.......

They say its been tested on 43,000 people and only 94 of them have contracted Covid-19 so far

Have the 43,000 been subject to covid or have they just avoided it so far?
The article doesn't seem to clarify.


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Half of the participants were given a placebo rather than the vaccine.
Most of those the 94 to be infected were in the placebo group.
I have not seen any precise info on what the actual numbers are but assume the 90% effective figure is based on sums involving the difference between the proportion of vaccine v placebo participants infected.

We will have to wait for the data to be published to know more.

 

[Mr Ripple]

Half of the participants were given a placebo rather than the vaccine.
Most of those the 94 to be infected were in the placebo group.
I have not seen any precise info on what the actual numbers are but assume the 90% effective figure is based on sums involving the difference between the proportion of vaccine v placebo participants infected.

We will have to wait for the data to be published to know more.

So the 43,000 figure is now technically 21,500?

This isn't directed at you @oldhippydude just merely an observation.

I don't see the point of including a placebo in this instance.
The test should be wether people who have recieved the vaccine will still go on to contract covid not if people think they've had the vaccine will go on to contract it.

And 94 people still contracting covid out of 21,500 people is still not a great success even if all 21,500 people have actually been exposed and only 94 people contracted the virus.

That would still be pretty poor odds meaning 1 person in every 228 people will still catch it.

 

[vapesmarter]

its a "proof of principle" as dr john campbell says

90% were in the placebo group that caught the virus 10% had the jab

I'm 50/50 over it but you will see 3 or 4 new vaccines coming online in the next few weeks

but the paper is vague there is one page on a big group of 43k people but not a huge group of 200k people as yet

but however, with 28 days to work this as john says will not stop anyone catching the virus in the next few weeks

 

[Mitz]

IMHO, whichever way you look at this it's good news. It's a new vaccine using new technology and it appears to work and work well on a virus many thought could never be vaccinated against. Personally, I was getting a little bit tired of reading, "we can't vaccinate against the common cold so why do you think they'll be able to vaccinate against Covid?".

 

[oldhippydude]

So the 43,000 figure is now technically 21,500?

This isn't directed at you @oldhippydude just merely an observation.

I don't see the point of including a placebo in this instance.
The test should be wether people who have recieved the vaccine will still go on to contract covid not if people think they've had the vaccine will go on to contract it.

And 94 people still contracting covid out of 21,500 people is still not a great success even if all 21,500 people have actually been exposed and only 94 people contracted the virus.

That would still be pretty poor odds meaning 1 person in every 228 people will still catch it.

You really need to start practicing seeing that half empty glasses are also half full.
You must have made hundreds of posts about covid since March.
You are highly attuned to negative trends but seem to be blind to any hopeful or positive trends.

This news is almost certainly good news. Practice being happy about it. It will be better for your health than always looking for the downside.

 

[Mr Ripple]

You really need to start practicing seeing that half empty glasses are also half full.
You must have made hundreds of posts about covid since March.
You are highly attuned to negative trends but seem to be blind to any hopeful or positive trends.

This news is almost certainly good news. Practice being happy about it. It will be better for your health than always looking for the downside.

And as such have seen many of these "covid breakthrough treatments" pop up and fade away so i am automatically pessimistic.
Even you don't appear completely convinced (almost certainly) but i do don my hat to your optimism.

 

[oldhippydude]

And as such have seen many of these "covid breakthrough treatments" pop up and fade away so i am automatically pessimistic.
Even you don't appear completely convinced (almost certainly) but i do don my hat to your optimism.

Almost certainly good news IS almost certainly good news. It does not require a pessimistic slant put on it.

If I see that Ms Hippydude has wrapped a present for me that looks like a boxed bottle of malt whisky, then it is almost certainly good news, even though there is a chance it might turn out to be a Jenga game. It is almost certain to be a malt whisky and if not a nice blend, or a rum. All the likely outcomes are good.

Despite the fine print, we can still feel optimistic about a Covid vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-covid-19-vaccine-science-solutions-pandemic

we should allow ourselves some cautious optimism. These preliminary results are likely a huge step forward. And this seems like a much better first-generation vaccine than many had anticipated. Not only are mRNA vaccines such as this a new technology, but 90% is a great starting point (even the World Health Organization has said a vaccine that was 50% effective at protecting people from Covid-19 would be acceptable).

 

[zouzounaki]

i’m with @Mitz and @oldhippydude on this one. it looks like good news.

now to get cracking on all the new mental health hospitals we’ll need to section everybody.

 

[Mitz]

i’m with @Mitz and @oldhippydude on this one. it looks like good news.

now to get cracking on all the new mental health hospitals we’ll need to section everybody.

Anti-vax brigade enters stage left....