Original or Clone?

[AndyC1971]

Is it just me??

Pretty apt with the date, lol

 

[ApOsTle51]

I have clones, i have originals. All depends on what i fancy and what cashflow is like. Depends on availability and is the extra worth it for the original.

I hold no thought either way, i am a consumer not a spokesperson for the modders or the chinese economy model.

buy what you like and let no one judge you for it.

 

[ElsaBubs]

Ok. So I am tired and bored of the same old debate and the clones generally winning. So I cannot be arsed to argue my case not slag off clones. Because it gets me nowhere. I know @Carlos is at a similar point. We have out opinions, strong ones at that.

what I will say is:
many mod makers are working on limited staff and resources - financially, materials, technology or otherwise.
This not only answers why genuine high end stuff is expensive, but also why it is available in limited quantities.
This too also answers why there are not cheaper lower quality ranges.
- another reason for there not being lower budget ranges is due to many mod
makers having other jobs and making stuff out of love in their spare time.
another aspect to this is for stuff to be cheap
it needs to be mass produced.

and to those who say they cannot afford or justify spending big money there are a few things I have to say:
how much did you spend on cigarettes? How long did you justify/afford them bastards for?
How about put the money to one side every day/week/whatever and when you have a decent amount for something do your research and take the plunge.
Providing you do a bit of research you will soon be able to justify the spend, and see why genuine high end stuff sells for what it does.
If (and I very much doubt) you don't like it and feel it was a waste you can stick it in the classifieds and fetch pretty much what you paid for it. After all, that's what the classifieds are for!

And to support that - you can buy original Pinoy mods from

www.shmovapes.co.uk @shmovapes

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

Ok. So I am tired and bored of the same old debate and the clones generally winning. So I cannot be arsed to argue my case not slag off clones. Because it gets me nowhere. I know @Carlos is at a similar point. We have out opinions, strong ones at that.

what I will say is:
many mod makers are working on limited staff and resources - financially, materials, technology or otherwise.
This not only answers why genuine high end stuff is expensive, but also why it is available in limited quantities.
This too also answers why there are not cheaper lower quality ranges.
- another reason for there not being lower budget ranges is due to many mod
makers having other jobs and making stuff out of love in their spare time.
another aspect to this is for stuff to be cheap
it needs to be mass produced.

and to those who say they cannot afford or justify spending big money there are a few things I have to say:
how much did you spend on cigarettes? How long did you justify/afford them bastards for?
How about put they money to one side every day/week/whatever and when you have a decent amount for something do your research and take the plunge.
Providing you do a bit of research you will soon be able to justify the spend, and see why genuine high end stuff sells for what it does.
If (and I very much doubt) you don't like it and feel it was a waste you can stick it in the classifieds and fetch pretty much what you paid for it. After all, that's what the classifieds are for!

All of your points aside... how come some thing that costs about $25 to make sells at roughly $200 with a profit of $175 per item...even if taking out the $75 for time and labor... so minus at least HALF the retail price for costs, time, labor...with a profit of $100 per item made in a limited 100 quantity, profits the maker $10,000... they can't afford to TM and CR protect their logo at the very least? I don't buy it. Literally Thats half a years wages in the states! All made in a couple of months.

While you have your reasons for buying high end, and they are very good reasons, I never would have bought the high end mod in the first place, so what does it matter if I buy another mod of the same name/make/shape/look? Not one bit, cause that mod maker wouldn't have gotten my money in the first place. There is a Market for the high end gear like you and @Carlos prove regularly, but there is also a Market for quality knock offs at lower prices.(EGOS anyone?) A good portion of "clone lovers" would have never bought the original to begin with! So what is the mod maker losing out on in all reality? A Market full of ecig users that would have never bought it in the first place?

I do NOT agree with the name stealing, that irks me, but I also don't think someone has a right to lay claim on a logo they found on google with copyright free attached to it, slap a price tag on it that makes it suddenly "special", never take the time to protect the design/logo and MAKE it their own with the money they profited from the sales of said items, then bitch when someone robs their shit. Not to mention, not even give Herbert Gilbert a percentage for HIS idea...

anyways I just had a £200 ladder knicked out my back garden, I cant afford to replace it, but ya know what? I didnt lock my gate and its my own damn fault someone stole it.


thats how the world works in my fucked up head at least.


And in the words of the great Neil deGrasse Tyson on Scientists

Either I’m right or you’re right or we’re both wrong. And we move on. That kind of conflict resolution does not exist in politics or religion. It does not exist in so much of what we do as human beings on this Earth that it’s almost tragic.

And on Vaping

 

[ElsaBubs]

KulrMeStoopid I was chatting to a local guy who owns a cnc shop recently, I showed him the mod I was using (viggo) and was chatting to him about my ideas to produce a mod of
my own. He asked how much I paid for it (£120) and commented that I would be lucky to make 10% on a run of 100. That's £1200 in total.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

@KulrMeStoopid I was chatting to a local guy who owns a cnc shop recently, I showed him the mod I was using (viggo) and was chatting to him about my ideas to produce a mod of
my own. He asked how much I paid for it (£120) and commented that I would be lucky to make 10% on a run of 100. That's £1200 in total.

Unfortunately for myself, I was exposed to the manufacturing costs and process of a very well known and loved "mod" I saw invoices and final payouts from beginning to end. 50 grand is a lot of money to make in 6 months... and that was split from the original total take. I don't buy it one bit. If you know what you are doing, can source the material and can spit out 100 mods in less than 3-4 months at a price of $200 a pop, you will make well over £1200.


LOL just realized your mod is named after a LOTR actor and it is very nice looking... I doubt however that those etchings were done by hand 1 x 1 and suspect something like an industrial cnc... if someone can afford one of them, they can afford to TM their logos too

 

[pardonthewait]

To make the changes would cost them more money Removal of the logos wouldnt though. They should at least do that.

Well exactly. The Chinese just don't have any concept of copying things being wrong, it's not an issue as far as they're concerned. And as long as they're making money, making extra effort to establish their own products isn't going to be top of their list.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

Well exactly. The Chinese just don't have any concept of copying things being wrong, it's not an issue as far as they're concerned. And as long as they're making money, making extra effort to establish their own products isn't going to be top of their list.

Thats a very broad statement and not entirely true. They do have TM and CR laws that are pretty strict and are only valid if some one actually TM's their stuff IN China, which isn't that hard to do and doesn't cost that much. Just like ANY other country, if you don't TM your logo at the very least, ANY ONE can use it if you can not prove IPR, CR, ect...


I think too often people get wrapped up in the misconception of other countries and the "morality" of it all, instead of considering the implications of actual laws outside of our "comfort" zone and the fact that ones morals may differ from some one elses vastly.

 

[madpiano]

For my part, I don't mind clones, as long as they are marked clearly as such when sold. Fakes and clones that are described so badly that they could be original is where I feel ripped off. Especially if the price is only marginally below the original.
Went over to Alibaba to check out EVODs. Wouldn't have been a problem to order 50 as several of us at work use them. But none of the descriptions actually made me feel confident I was ordering an original. Prices varied widely with some the same price as a proper one from the UK. I walked away.

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[KulrMeStoopid]

Contact Kanger direct for EVODs If you want to order bulk