UK Incremental Smoking Ban (Tobacco & Vapes Bill) Starts Journey Into Law

[zouzounaki]

yes but changing the narrative away from what actually kills you in a cigarette to encompass the part that doesn't is misleading it makes nicotine the bad part so anything with nicotine is deadly

aye, i get you. it’s happening to an extent but still it’s fags that are being incrementally banned. i think a big problem is the incoherent message. vapes are a good stop smoking tool, 95% safer, but we are putting a sin tax on them and restricting flavours, they kill children etc etc. then all the tabloid shite and nonsense we hear from WHO and other countries. then throw in the disposable controversy. they are all over the place and it is a perfect storm.

 

[Richard Winter]

yes but changing the narrative away from what actually kills you in a cigarette to encompass the part that doesn't is misleading it makes nicotine the bad part so anything with nicotine is deadly

Totally agree. Changing the narrative to nicotine is a deliberate ploy so vaping can be included in their mission to suppress our human rights and freedom of choice. Very few of the people in power have the balls to publically stand up and speak out and allow our leaders to continue to ignore the science and spout absolute dribble and lies.

I've not heard anything regarding nicotine patches, gums, sprays, lozenges etc. If nicotine is the killer then why are not these coming under scrutiny.

 

[zouzounaki]

I've not heard anything regarding nicotine patches, gums, sprays, lozenges etc. If nicotine is the killer then why are not these coming under scrutiny

this part of your post suggests the narrative is not being changed to nicotine, though.

nicotine pouches are also not coming under the remit of this legislation, for instance.

 

[Richard Winter]

this part of your post suggests the narrative is not being changed to nicotine, though.

nicotine pouches are also not coming under the remit of this legislation, for instance.

No. My comment agreed with @vapesmarter I said i believe it's a ploy to focus on Nicotine rather than cigarettes to include vaping in the remit. My second comment was an observation that other nicotine products are not being put in the pot.

 

[Toby iVapour]

this part of your post suggests the narrative is not being changed to nicotine, though.

nicotine pouches are also not coming under the remit of this legislation, for instance.

No, they are!

Creating a smokefree generation and tackling youth vaping consultation: government response

www.gov.uk

There are other consumer nicotine products in the UK market such as nicotine pouches. Like with non-nicotine vapes, they are also not regulated under the TRPR but under GPSR.

Under these proposals, we would regulate other consumer nicotine products under a similar framework as nicotine vapes.

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3703

A Bill to Make provision about the supply of tobacco, vapes and other products, including provision prohibiting the sale of tobacco to people born on or after 1 January 2009; and to enable product requirements to be imposed in connection with tobacco, vapes and other products.

 

[Rickster]

No. My comment agreed with @vapesmarter I said i believe it's a ploy to focus on Nicotine rather than cigarettes to include vaping in the remit. My second comment was an observation that other nicotine products are not being put in the pot.

Big Pharma control the other nicotine products bar pouches you mention.....it's always about the money.

 

[Toby iVapour]

I've not heard anything regarding nicotine patches, gums, sprays, lozenges etc. If nicotine is the killer then why are not these coming under scrutiny.

Big Pharma control the other nicotine products bar pouches you mention.....it's always about the money.

Medicinal nicotine is not being affected (like it's a different drug or something) - VAT rate of 5%.

Other forms of non-combustible nicotine in the form of vapes, nicotine pouches etc are affected, and will be taxed to the hilt - 20% VAT + extra excise duty (depending on nicotine strength).

 

[Rickster]

Medicinal nicotine is not being affected (like it's a different drug or something) - VAT rate of 5%.

Other forms of non-combustible nicotine in the form of vapes, nicotine pouches etc are affected, and will be taxed to the hilt - 20% VAT + extra excise duty (depending on nicotine strength).

Aye, it's not effected because power control and money

 

[zouzounaki]

No, they are!

Creating a smokefree generation and tackling youth vaping consultation: government response

www.gov.uk

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3703

thanks for the info, i didn’t know this.

 

[Toby iVapour]

Creeping ministerial powers: the example of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill​

What is wrong with the powers delegated to ministers by the Tobacco and Vapes Bill?

The Government’s flagship Tobacco and Vapes Bill will ban the sale of tobacco to anyone born after 2009. The genesis of the delegated powers in the Bill – dating back a decade - tells an important story about the way in which incomplete policy-making processes are used by Ministers to seek...

www.hansardsociety.org.uk

The Government’s flagship Tobacco and Vapes Bill will ban the sale of tobacco to anyone born after 2009. The genesis of the delegated powers in the Bill – dating back a decade - tells an important story about the way in which incomplete policy-making processes are used by Ministers to seek ‘holding’ powers in a Bill, only for that precedent to then be used to justify further, broader powers in subsequent Bills. This ‘creeping’ effect in the legislative process undermines parliamentary scrutiny of ministerial action.

For Labour to go on and hammer the nail in further...